As for Sudan, we have gone through this. China may sell weapons around the globe but its the 4th largest arms dealer in the world behind US, Russia, and Germany. And China does not send its soldiers out to the world to commit murder. And while Chiang Kai Shek did receive arms from around the globe. Mao did not. They pretty much fought the civil war with captured US and Japanese weapons.
The Dalai Lama on the other hand has pretty close ties with the CIA. Gyari (Dalais personal representative in Washington) said. "Speaking more generally of the CIA's past support for the Tibetans, Gyari acknowledged: "It is an open secret. We do not deny it."
"Funds to pay this army were funnelled through the Dalai Lama and his organization, which received US$1.7 million a year, later reduced to $1.2 million. (Of this, the Dalai Lama himself was paid $186,000 a year".
wiki mentions that usa officially recognized china's claim in 1943, 1 yr before capra made war-time propaganda about major usa ally..don't forget bankers who were financing/arming both allies AND axis were also financing arming mao AND kai-shek..tibet was indeed abandonned by roosevelt, whose family made fortune running chinese opium with known ties to said bankers..fold tibet into china and mao's creditors take all..it's necessay to do more than establish paper trail:
look between wiki-lines
selective reading of wikipedia could prove that we're decendents of et's..lolll..wikipedia shows that if anything is true of chinese-tibetan relations it's that nothing is clear..china has no legitimate claim to tibet and certainly no right to invade as it also did east turkestan and as it continues to sell arms to UN declared genocidal sudanese even as it sits on UN security council..its actions of genocide in 3 affected areas is in itself reason enough to demand renewed tibetan sovereignty..
e n . wikipedia . o r g / wiki / Image : LA2-NSRW-1-0148. j p g
Printed in 1914 Rand Mcnally.
Much of China during this time was actually dissolved and divided between warlords and a lama. But the world never recognized Tibet as a sovereign country even during this time.
There is no international law and legal judgment stating Tibet was a sovereign independent nation.
what did governments of france italy switzerland usa have to say? they'd all made 'mistakes'? barbara tuchman asserts that history revolves around people like henry ksnger, who travels to europe tho there's an outstanding arrest warrant for cambo/lao bombing..they live as supra-nationals, above the law, making decisions that can send a nation like tibet into bondage..china has no legal basis for turkestan/tibet but attempts to construct paper trail when in reality acusing finger points west
already stated: capra's propa-doc caught everybody, especially brits off guard, caused serious rift..brits were bleeding had to concede usa was calling shots with its global chess moves..tibet was abandoned
..china could consider whatever..international law trumps "considerations" tibet's government considered it to be 1rst chinese meddling since late 18th century when 5 lamas sent by manchu emperor were murdered..emperor's emisaries sent packing..euro onslaught put end to nefarious intrigues
China nor the world never accepted Tibetan sovereignty. "The Chinese Government (of Chiang Kaishek) in the meantime had asked the British Government how it could accept Tibetan passports when according to its official position it did not accept that Tibet was independent. The British Foreign office then reversed itself and assured the Chinese that a mistake had been made, promising that in the future they would issue no more visas on Tibetan passports".
"In the spring of 1934, a Chinese mission led by General Huang Musong, then Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Guomindang regime, was dispatched to Lhasa with the official purpose of offering condolences to the late 13th Dalai Lama who died in late 1933 Huang left a representative office, along with a wireless set in Lhasa; these could be actions which the Chinese considered marked their authority in Tibet".
documents show that this 1934 delegation tried to establish BORDERS..before china itself was enslaved by manchu, it made various clumsy attempts to establish 'offices'..all china's lamas and most 'officers' were dispatched (murdered) by the tibetans..brits withdrew their recognition ONLY AFTER the ascension of usa power games (i.e.this propaganda film) after WW2 in which tibet was 'sold out' by $ cartel and mao allowed in.."tibet was incorporated"..you mean brutally invaded, like turkestan..
The Communists then defeated the ROC in the Chinese civil war and Tibet was incorporated into the PRC. Thus Tibet was never accepted as a sovereign country by China or the world no matter what Chinese government had been governing China at whatever time.
In 1934 Chiang Kai Shek sent a delegation to Tibet to send their condolences for the death of the Dalai Lama. They even left ROC offices in Tibet to show that Tibet had not been accepted as sovereign. Those passports ended up getting rejected in Britain after Britain stated that Tibet was not a sovereign country and was part of the ROC.
worth noting: china usa foreign policy flip sides: same bloody coin..bloody oil: iraq sudan..back to $..brothers of same banking families financed napolean AND brits, usa civil war, WW1+2, 1 bro represented france at treaty of versailles, his bro, germany..1 caused panic on london ex. w/ false rumour: 'brits lose', treasury default, bankers buy up dumped stock, create PRIVATELY OWNED bank of england..months later his bro sabotaged french bond issue..same results..federal reserve, 1913..now china
ddb..in 1934 chiang kai-shek sent a delegation to Lhasa to settle border issues..in 1948 the tibetan finance minister, USING A TIBETAN PASSPORT, visited hong kong, england, united states, france, italy, switzerland..that china has any legitimate claim to tibet is as much a fantasy as china withdrawing its forces..mao AND kai-shek were both financed by same $ cartel, controlling who got what arms where and when, effectively controlling outcome..tibet was collateral for mao's debt..
internal?..LOL
I noticed that they included Tibet as a part of China in 1944. I wonder how the modern activists would feel about that.
Personally, I think the debate over Tibet is purely an internal issue for China to deal with on its own and the rest of the world should mind its own business.
And yet for the majority of Americans and people visiting America, 99 percent if them will never encounter a full blooded Native Indian unlike if you went to Tibet, they would find Tibetans rather easily. Most Native Indians that are left lost their language, lost the culture and lost their means to communicate with their ancestors.
The Chinese Emperor, the King of England, and world atlases printed across the globe in 1800s agreed it was the Chinese Empire.
to say that manchu empire was chinese is like saying usa empire is british..to justify genocide in tibet by pointing to amerindian genocide (i'm part iroqois) is ludicrous..the rest is sophist..nipples ..good luck with your fiasco of an olympics
Its historical revisionism to claim Tibet was and is not a part of China. Because historians and diplomats from the West dating back to the 1800s agreed that Tibet was a part of China.
e n . wikipedia . org / wiki / Image : Qing _ china. jpg
Printed in 1892, by Encyclopedia Britannica. ChienLung was Manchu, not Han, but he was Chinese and the Empire was China.
In 1912 Tibet declared Independence, ROC never recognized it, neither did the world. In 1934 the ROC sent delegations to offer condolences to the death of the 13th Dalai Lama. They never concluded that Tibet was a sovereign country. Despite the false claims of forced sterilization of Tibetans, the once Child policy only applies to China's majority Ethnic group. The Han. Tibetans have no such policy applied to them. Tibetans speak, read and write Tibetan now.
Mongol Khans began to take the Title of Chinese Emperor.
"The dynasty was, significantly, one of the shortest-lived dynasties in the history of China, covering just a century, 1271 to 1368. In time, Kublai Khan's successors became sinicized, then lost all influence on other Mongol lands across Asia, while the Mongols beyond the Middle Kingdom saw them as too Chinese." Ching Dynasty was the Chinese Empire.
China was the center of the Qing Dynasty. Everything else were provinces and territories. Thats why it was called the Chinese Empire. Xinjiang is a part of China. Sudan is a foreign and sovereign country but China doesnt send troops to crush Sudanese soldiers or its civilian population. Sounds more like something the US would do.
"the ROC and PRC never renounced their sovereignty"..they never had sovereignty..the mongols, manchus, yes, the chinese, no and they made alot of efforts to hold on to their 'inheritance' from the manchus..and only succeeded by invasion and subsequent genocide..
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As for Sudan, we have gone through this. China may sell weapons around the globe but its the 4th largest arms dealer in the world behind US, Russia, and Germany. And China does not send its soldiers out to the world to commit murder. And while Chiang Kai Shek did receive arms from around the globe. Mao did not. They pretty much fought the civil war with captured US and Japanese weapons.
The Dalai Lama on the other hand has pretty close ties with the CIA. Gyari (Dalais personal representative in Washington) said. "Speaking more generally of the CIA's past support for the Tibetans, Gyari acknowledged: "It is an open secret. We do not deny it."
"Funds to pay this army were funnelled through the Dalai Lama and his organization, which received US$1.7 million a year, later reduced to $1.2 million. (Of this, the Dalai Lama himself was paid $186,000 a year".
wiki mentions that usa officially recognized china's claim in 1943, 1 yr before capra made war-time propaganda about major usa ally..don't forget bankers who were financing/arming both allies AND axis were also financing arming mao AND kai-shek..tibet was indeed abandonned by roosevelt, whose family made fortune running chinese opium with known ties to said bankers..fold tibet into china and mao's creditors take all..it's necessay to do more than establish paper trail:
look between wiki-lines
selective reading of wikipedia could prove that we're decendents of et's..lolll..wikipedia shows that if anything is true of chinese-tibetan relations it's that nothing is clear..china has no legitimate claim to tibet and certainly no right to invade as it also did east turkestan and as it continues to sell arms to UN declared genocidal sudanese even as it sits on UN security council..its actions of genocide in 3 affected areas is in itself reason enough to demand renewed tibetan sovereignty..
e n . wikipedia . o r g / wiki / Image : LA2-NSRW-1-0148. j p g
Printed in 1914 Rand Mcnally.
Much of China during this time was actually dissolved and divided between warlords and a lama. But the world never recognized Tibet as a sovereign country even during this time.
There is no international law and legal judgment stating Tibet was a sovereign independent nation.
what did governments of france italy switzerland usa have to say? they'd all made 'mistakes'? barbara tuchman asserts that history revolves around people like henry ksnger, who travels to europe tho there's an outstanding arrest warrant for cambo/lao bombing..they live as supra-nationals, above the law, making decisions that can send a nation like tibet into bondage..china has no legal basis for turkestan/tibet but attempts to construct paper trail when in reality acusing finger points west
already stated: capra's propa-doc caught everybody, especially brits off guard, caused serious rift..brits were bleeding had to concede usa was calling shots with its global chess moves..tibet was abandoned
..china could consider whatever..international law trumps "considerations" tibet's government considered it to be 1rst chinese meddling since late 18th century when 5 lamas sent by manchu emperor were murdered..emperor's emisaries sent packing..euro onslaught put end to nefarious intrigues
China nor the world never accepted Tibetan sovereignty. "The Chinese Government (of Chiang Kaishek) in the meantime had asked the British Government how it could accept Tibetan passports when according to its official position it did not accept that Tibet was independent. The British Foreign office then reversed itself and assured the Chinese that a mistake had been made, promising that in the future they would issue no more visas on Tibetan passports".
"In the spring of 1934, a Chinese mission led by General Huang Musong, then Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Guomindang regime, was dispatched to Lhasa with the official purpose of offering condolences to the late 13th Dalai Lama who died in late 1933 Huang left a representative office, along with a wireless set in Lhasa; these could be actions which the Chinese considered marked their authority in Tibet".
documents show that this 1934 delegation tried to establish BORDERS..before china itself was enslaved by manchu, it made various clumsy attempts to establish 'offices'..all china's lamas and most 'officers' were dispatched (murdered) by the tibetans..brits withdrew their recognition ONLY AFTER the ascension of usa power games (i.e.this propaganda film) after WW2 in which tibet was 'sold out' by $ cartel and mao allowed in.."tibet was incorporated"..you mean brutally invaded, like turkestan..
The Communists then defeated the ROC in the Chinese civil war and Tibet was incorporated into the PRC. Thus Tibet was never accepted as a sovereign country by China or the world no matter what Chinese government had been governing China at whatever time.
In 1934 Chiang Kai Shek sent a delegation to Tibet to send their condolences for the death of the Dalai Lama. They even left ROC offices in Tibet to show that Tibet had not been accepted as sovereign. Those passports ended up getting rejected in Britain after Britain stated that Tibet was not a sovereign country and was part of the ROC.
worth noting: china usa foreign policy flip sides: same bloody coin..bloody oil: iraq sudan..back to $..brothers of same banking families financed napolean AND brits, usa civil war, WW1+2, 1 bro represented france at treaty of versailles, his bro, germany..1 caused panic on london ex. w/ false rumour: 'brits lose', treasury default, bankers buy up dumped stock, create PRIVATELY OWNED bank of england..months later his bro sabotaged french bond issue..same results..federal reserve, 1913..now china
ddb..in 1934 chiang kai-shek sent a delegation to Lhasa to settle border issues..in 1948 the tibetan finance minister, USING A TIBETAN PASSPORT, visited hong kong, england, united states, france, italy, switzerland..that china has any legitimate claim to tibet is as much a fantasy as china withdrawing its forces..mao AND kai-shek were both financed by same $ cartel, controlling who got what arms where and when, effectively controlling outcome..tibet was collateral for mao's debt..
internal?..LOL
I noticed that they included Tibet as a part of China in 1944. I wonder how the modern activists would feel about that.
Personally, I think the debate over Tibet is purely an internal issue for China to deal with on its own and the rest of the world should mind its own business.
And yet for the majority of Americans and people visiting America, 99 percent if them will never encounter a full blooded Native Indian unlike if you went to Tibet, they would find Tibetans rather easily. Most Native Indians that are left lost their language, lost the culture and lost their means to communicate with their ancestors.
The Chinese Emperor, the King of England, and world atlases printed across the globe in 1800s agreed it was the Chinese Empire.
to say that manchu empire was chinese is like saying usa empire is british..to justify genocide in tibet by pointing to amerindian genocide (i'm part iroqois) is ludicrous..the rest is sophist..nipples ..good luck with your fiasco of an olympics
Its historical revisionism to claim Tibet was and is not a part of China. Because historians and diplomats from the West dating back to the 1800s agreed that Tibet was a part of China.
e n . wikipedia . org / wiki / Image : Qing _ china. jpg
Printed in 1892, by Encyclopedia Britannica. ChienLung was Manchu, not Han, but he was Chinese and the Empire was China.
There are more Tibetans than there were previous to the 1950s while Native Americans were completely exterminated, lost their language and culture.
In 1912 Tibet declared Independence, ROC never recognized it, neither did the world. In 1934 the ROC sent delegations to offer condolences to the death of the 13th Dalai Lama. They never concluded that Tibet was a sovereign country. Despite the false claims of forced sterilization of Tibetans, the once Child policy only applies to China's majority Ethnic group. The Han. Tibetans have no such policy applied to them. Tibetans speak, read and write Tibetan now.
Mongol Khans began to take the Title of Chinese Emperor.
"The dynasty was, significantly, one of the shortest-lived dynasties in the history of China, covering just a century, 1271 to 1368. In time, Kublai Khan's successors became sinicized, then lost all influence on other Mongol lands across Asia, while the Mongols beyond the Middle Kingdom saw them as too Chinese." Ching Dynasty was the Chinese Empire.
Whatever. Lets not discuss conspiracy theories. Maybe one day this stuff will have merit, maybe it will remain conspiracy theory.
China was the center of the Qing Dynasty. Everything else were provinces and territories. Thats why it was called the Chinese Empire. Xinjiang is a part of China. Sudan is a foreign and sovereign country but China doesnt send troops to crush Sudanese soldiers or its civilian population. Sounds more like something the US would do.
"the ROC and PRC never renounced their sovereignty"..they never had sovereignty..the mongols, manchus, yes, the chinese, no and they made alot of efforts to hold on to their 'inheritance' from the manchus..and only succeeded by invasion and subsequent genocide..